Ramesvara: It seems that if one day the Krsna conscious movement has actually achieved some powerful position in America…
Prabhupada: That we want.
Ramesvara: …we will have to tolerate all these things-cinema, nightclubs. How can we close all these things? The people want these things.
Prabhupada: No. If you educate people, if you give them better enjoyment, they’ll give up.
Ramesvara: Very gradual.
Prabhupada: Just like our men. They are not after cinema or brothel house or restaurants. It requires education.
Hari-sauri: We have to make them devotees.
Ramesvara: But can all the masses of people become devotees?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes, cent per cent devotees, by this process: ask them to chant and take prasada.
Jagadisa: People in general are very much inclined to accept whoever their leader is if they feel happy. So if we give them kirtana and prasadam, if their economic needs are met, then how can they avoid? Economic needs are the main thing. That’s why they…
Prabhupada: If they can eat nicely and they have no complaint for living conditions, they will become.
Ramesvara: But they will not give up sex life.
Prabhupada: No, no. I don’t say that you give up sex life.
Ramesvara: That means that they want to have nice clothing and cars for sex. As soon as there is sex, then they want so many other things to make it more attractive.
Prabhupada: Not necessarily. Not necessarily. Formerly there was sex life. They’re thinking like that, “We require,” naturally. First of all they’ll be… If they advance in Krsna consciousness, they will stop sex life. Yad-avadhi mama cetah krsna… If they’re really Krsna conscious, they’ll have no more taste for sex life. That is…
Hari-sauri: But that position is not very easily attainable.
Prabhupada: No, that is not easy. Therefore we say, “Restrict this.” And this will be possible if he follows our program.
January 11, 1977