Simple Living And High Thinking

Assorted Lectures | July 23, 2005 | Youth, Preaching, Varnasrama, Vedic, Social Topics, Modernization, Education

English with Polski Translation; New Santipur, Poland

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Should devotees refrain from taking milk from commercial dairy cows who are destined to go to the slaughter house if there is no milk available from ISKCON protected cows, and in that sense be vegan, thus removing the risk of being connected with the slaughter of cows?

This is a hot topic in ISKCON right now and I was inspired to ask you this question after hearing a lecture you gave in Mumbai entitled "ISKCON's Forgotten Mission."

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Should devotees refrain from taking milk from cows destined to go to slaughterhouses, if there is not available milk from ISKCON protected cows? Well, apart from ISKCON at least here in India, are protected cows from Jains, they for instance and others, keep goshalas in which they don’t sell out the cows when they don’t give milk anymore or become old. Anyone who sells the cows for any reasons, it means they will likely go for slaughter. Vegan, well, should they be vegan if they can’t get milk? Well, there should be milk, at when you go to an ISKCON center, you should be able to get milk. Probably in the West ISKCON is the only society that claims to protect cows. I don’t know if there are some Jain goshalas, I never heard of it in America, England, there is one in Berm so I heard when I was there. Probably in Nepal, there may be some goshalas. So, mostly in India. Difficult to get there, even in India.

 

NEGLECTED MISSION
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