From: Internet: “Shyamananda dasa”
Date: 09-Mar-10 11:14 +0530
To: BVKS Sanga Mail [4575] (received: 09-Mar-10 07:00 +0100)
Subject: Re: wholly & fully krishna conscious and yet appears irreligious
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Sri Sri Guru Gaurangau Jayatah
Dear Nitin,
Please accept my best wishes. Srila Prabhupada ki jaya.
Religion according to the dictionary meaning means “a kind of faith” which
is dependant on time, place and circumstance. This is subject to change.
Something religious to one is irreligious to another. For eg; According to
Islamic?religion one who kills a Kafir or non-muslim is promoted to?jannath
(heaven) and according to Vedic religion?a ksatriya?who kills an?adharmic
person?attains svarga(heaven).?One who is Hindu today maybe Muslim
tommorrow and vice versa?but Krsna consciousness is the eternal occupation
of the living entity and is?not subject to faith.?Srila Prabhupada initiated
Western people who according to Hindu religion are considered mlecchas and
yavanas based on the Krsna conscious principle and raised them to the
highest position of Vaisnavas. This is considered irreligious?but should be
understood to be saintly.
There are many such instances where great devotees of Krsna were considered
irreligious and?even attacked due to their non-conformance to the religious
norms which are based on the bodily concept of life. Caitanya Mahaprabhu
Himself, Haridasa Thakur,?Prahlada, the gopis of Vrndavan etc. were all
considered irreligious according to their prescribed religion but were on
the actual religious platform of?serving Krsna in pure devotional love.
Hare Krsna!
dasanudasa,
Shyamananda dasa??
From:? ? ? Internet: “Nitin Bidkikar”
Date:? ? ? 06-Mar-10 13:56 +0530
For:? ? ? BVKS Sanga
Subject:? wholly & fully krishna conscious and yet appears irreligious ?
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Dear Devotees,
Please accept my humble obeisances
All glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga
All glories to Srila Prabhupada
All glories to Srila Gurudev
In the beginning of the purport to the verse “paritranaya sadhunam….”
(B.G.4.8), Srila Prabhupada states that “According to Bhagavad Gita, a sadhu
is a man in Krishna Consciousness.? A person may appear to be irreligious,
but if he has the qualifications of Krishna Consciousness wholly and fully,
he is to be understood to be a sadhu.”
How is it possible for a person who has the qualifications of Krishna
Consciousness wholly and fully to appear to be irreligious?? It seems to be
contradictory, because if a person has developed full Krishna consciousness
then all his sinful propensities are cleansed, then how is it possible that
such a person will appear to be irreligious or sinful?? Please help me to
understand this point.
And how do we identify that a particular person is actually a sadhu despite
him appearing to be irreligious?
Can someone please provide some examples from the scriptures of persons who
despite being sadhus appeared to be irreligious?
Your humble servant,
Nitin
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