Good disciples and Bad disciples

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January 28, 2014 |

English; Mayapur, West Bengal, India

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January 29, 2014 |

English; Mayapur, West Bengal, India

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सत् शिष्य और असत् शिष्य, भाग-१

January 28, 2014 |

English with हिन्दी Translation; Mayapur, West Bengal, India

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सत् शिष्य और असत् शिष्य, भाग-२

January 29, 2014 |

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Question: A.) What is meant by acala? Some say that it means that the jiva is immovable in the body. Others say that it means that the jiva never leaves the spiritual world. B.) Does the jiva actually fall down into the material world or he remains in the spiritual one? Is he mechanically moved or it is just an illusion? i.) I cannot understand how the jiva is simultaneously situated both in the material and spiritual worlds. ii.) If in the material world the jiva turns away from Krsna, what does he do in the spiritual world at the same time? iii.) What does it mean that the jiva does not fall if he really falls down?… Expand>

Question:

Regading jiva's fall into this material world. Srila Prabhupada talks a lot about the fall. One devotee discovered a transcribed lecture of Srila Prabhupada on Srimad Bhagavatam 2.9.1 delivered in Tokio on April 22nd, 1972 (https://old.prabhupadavani.org/main/Bhagavatam/325.html ) in which he says that the jiva does not fall down. The devotee suggested that the jiva remains in the spiritual world but his consciousness is placed into the material world (as in a dream when one is asleep and is dreaming about visiting different countries and performing various activities). He supports his statement by citing BG in which it is said that the jiva is immovable (acala). Thus, he says it is situated in the spiritual world. So my questions are:

A.) What is meant by acala? Some say that it means that the jiva is immovable in the body. Others say that it means that the jiva never leaves the spiritual world.

B.) Does the jiva actually fall down into the material world or he remains in the spiritual world? Is he mechanically moved or it is just an illusion?

i.) I cannot understand how the jiva is simultaneously situated both in the material and spiritual worlds.
ii.) If in the material world the jiva turns away from Krsna, what does he do in the spiritual world at the same time?
iii.) What does it mean that the jiva does not fall if he really falls down?

 

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Is there only one way to follow Srila Prabhupada?

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Sridham Shyam Prabhu wrote an article which brought my attention to, in which he states that, as he understands, there are not many ways of following Śrīla Prabhupāda but there is one way to follow.

Now...in one sense it’s true. The proper way to follow Śrīla Prabhupāda is with all sincerity aspiring for pure devotional service, and following his instructions. On the other hand there is no stereotype, and Śrīla Prabhupāda gave different instructions to different devotees.

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Up to the present day the Indian public don’t like. They don’t mind to be cheated by swamis and sannyāsis, and spiritually, but they don’t like if they mix up with women...up to the present day. This Asaram Bapu Swami was finished not because of the murder cases in his āśram, but it came out about his womanizing. He is not actually a sannyāsi, but he is a holly man (supposed to be) and his illicit mixing with women is not at all appreciated. In South India this Paramahaṁsa Nityānanda was finished when it came about his womanizing, which in the West no one cares at all, but in India...

I’m just coming to the point now...

EXAMPLES
There is one Back to Godhead magazine published in Śrīla Prabhupāda’s presence, in which Sudama Swami...On the order of Śrīla Prabhupāda he led up the Vaikuṇṭha players, a drama troupe which had dance, and which was very much appreciated by Śrīla Prabhupāda, giving the teachings of Kṛṣṇa consciousness in drama form. And in that group there were women, which Śrīla Prabhupāda allow, but did not want in India. But, in the West he allowed it. Different culture. Sudama said to Śrīla Prabhupāda:“...all these women dancing...“, and Śrīla Prabhupāda said „That is your sannyās!“.

It’s right there in Back to Godhead magazine, so, he gave different...
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DIFFERENT EMPHASIS IN DEVOTIONAL SERVICE
So, there may be apparent contradictions. It’s not actually a contradiction, it’s specialized instruction according to service. So, one way to follow...Yes, we should know Śrīla Prabhupāda’s instructions and follow them, but we should know there is variety within that also. And, we see very exalted followers of Śrīla Prabhupāda who were...they are quite different in their emphasis in devotional service.
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So, their approach, or their life focus in Śrīla Prabhupāda’s service is very different. They are not doing exactly the same thing, but they are both undoubtedly pleasant to Śrīla Prabhupāda, and following him very much.

CONCLUSION
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